Ken Rasner knows how to run a business and may, indeed, had done well in the past leading a high school marching band. The problem is that he is working with a crew of known con men who will soon be convicted felons.  Ask him why Alex Arnold, JT Taylor, and Del Rogers are involved and running this company.  These people live in the dark shadows and will only be exposed when they go to prison.  Watch for a grand jury investigation which will lead to indictments. 

It's so sad to read this. Ken Rasner was such a great person who touched so many lives. He ran the most successful marching band for a full decade at my high school. Granted, his sons were crap then too. But him and his wife were the greatest people. His impact is still felt everyday by many people. I am just appalled that he has turned to scams. I guess we never really know people as well as we think.

Oh yes, international business scams are a science all their own, in fact its kinda funny to have run across this thread because I just read that there are a growing number of international scams coming into the US. There are also countless scams in other countries designed for American tourists, and vice versa. One popular hotspot for international scams is Thai Land, where there are different levels of scams. Some where they will trick you into investing in Pyramid Schemes that are fronted by Caucasians here in the states, and others where they simply focus on getting you to pay a few baht more on the street. The utilize an awesome mlm model in which the price for the investment is extremely low, often referred to as a local price that they have listed in a specific language, until you're charged, at which point the real price is revealed. They time it perfectly so that all the individuals they recruited are charged at one time, often as they are on their way back to Thai Land, where there is virtually no course of action that can be taken to get the loss back, so yall need to be careful out there lol.

Sure, these guys could set up a foreign entity, run monies through this entity and theoretically give themselves an added layer of protection from government scrutiny; however, the recent ruling and judgment by Judge Wu and the FTC is very much a game-changer.  Now, the FBI and the Justice Department will have a clear path to investigate, arrest, prosecute, and most likely, convict (the FBI has the best forensic accountants who investigate this stuff every day). Watch for Alex Arnold, JT Taylor, and Del Rogers to be called before a Grand Jury investigation, lie before the Grand Jury (instead of revealing the true nature of their business dealings (they would rather lie than admit their wrongdoing)), and then be indicted on Federal racketeering charges, mail fraud, conspiracy to defraud consumers, etc..

Never ceases to amaze me how in the heck you guys get some of the information you do, but either way I appreciate you sharing it. You mentioned a European launch, and it triggered a question in my head about running a company. Theoretically, could you start a company such as Cieaura (or even a more blatant scam) over seas in some other country, make a profit, withdraw funds, investments etc, and leave the mess there without having ever set foot in the country? I know its kind of a layered question, but if anyone is familiar with the entire process of starting a company, I'm curious about how often it happens, if at all. I realize there are likely some international laws in place, just wondering which ones.

I knew most of these CieAura guys when they were pushing long-distance telephony and knew that they were slick.  I just did not know that they would go so far as to sell scam scotch-tape patches.

Meanwhile, ken Rasner is having a jolly time with the European "Soft Launch" of CieAura:

http://cieaura411.com/?p=1794&ref=nf

http://cieaura411.com/?p=1714

WallaceL:

It won't just be paying millions of dollars in fines that these guys will have to pay.  Judge Wu's ruling gives now gives the Justice Department (read: The FBI) the probable cause to further investigate as well as give the US District Attorney's Office the foundation to go forward with a Grand Jury investigation.  Criminal charges are almost certain to be filed and Directors and Officers insurance will not be enough to pay for attorneys' fees.

The damage to the overall mlm industry may, indeed, come from the FTC judgement in the form of having to show more retailing of products/services to consumers.

Alex Arnold, most definitely, will serve prison time in a Federa. Penitentiary.  He would be wise to prepare himself metally to change his name from Mr. Alex Arnold to Ms. Alexis Arnold and to not try to hid his current assets; because, an obstruction of justice charge is just one more sleazy move away from being an indictment.

wow, lol..... who knew? That is pretty damn impressive, I remember the last time he noticed the weird "typo" on the Regenerect website. It stated that it didn't contain any (insert make believe chemical here), but the word was just a similar one to "sildenafil" which is the main ingredient to Viagra lol. So in essence, it was akin to advertising a cake, and promising that it didn't contain any "frothing", therefore it would be safe for diabetics. I don't know if its that I lack the intelligence to notice such things, or that I'm simply too lazy, but either way, Watchdog is the man when it comes to finding this kind of stuff. Oh, and may I add that I too think the outcome of these buttbags having to pay such enormous sums in fines is absolutely delicious and makes me very happy. :D

God almighty Watchdog....

Let me tell you something sir, if Jessica Fletcher and Columbo had a few too many tequilas and decided to bring it home, you would be the result. How the hell to find these little inconsistencies I have no idea, but I'm pretty damn impressed. Thanks for finding that, its actually quite telling, and there is such an exciting feeling knowing what Alex and Edhuk added. I hope those turds spend the rest of their lives having to pay back every penny their stupid bracelets ripped off of people, even if I do think those people aren't exactly candidates for a Nasa program. Thanks for the update everyone, you made my day lol.

Ok so how long did it take for you to come up with your Skittle story!!! That was great LOL!!! The best I have heard yet!!!

Well my product is Xtreme Fuel Treatment & my link is www.fuelmileageplus.com

Thanks for the story!!!

lol Beth, can you imagine? There would be Skittle stations instead of gas stations and gas tanks would be shaped like plastic jars with flip top lids, where you would shovel in the skittles with a scoop. Emissions would smell like sugar vapors, or possibly burning fruit lol. People all over the world would be forced to taste and smell the rainbow, instead of giant oil companies we would have companies like SkitCo, SM, and Skell. Whenever there would be a station catastrophe and one blew up, it would send skittles raining in two towns over, looking just like a Skittles commercial. People would probably still be complaining about the price of skittles and how when they were a kid it was only 1.10 per scoop, and how the air smelled so much cleaner, and there would be no skittle wars because, well that would be even more ridiculous than this post lol. I don't see anything in the forum rules that say you can't post an affiliate link so go for it. In fact, I think it would be even better to have reps being willing and able to discuss their companies and products. I have actually been wondering which product you offered anyway.

Wallace I would love to find a way to make my car run on Skittles!!!!

Is it ok for me to put my affiliate link up in here? I mean it is not related to envirotabs.

I personally grown up around motors since I was kid, though I'm no mechanic. I just can't picture an alternative fuel, just seems odd, but sooner or later I'm aware we are going to need one. We can conserve all we want but we're only prolonging the inevitable. Don't think I believe in water fueled engines etc, but in defense of the concept itself, I do think the government would go out of its way to stamp out anyone who threatens the financial system. I've seen too much in one life time to make me lose favor with whatever our government has become, but I certainly love the people of my country. Enviro tabs should be given as free samples, paid for by none other than ENVIRO TABS, and the reason why is because there is no better marketing technique than giving stuff away for free. It shows that a company truly backs it's product, and is willing to prove it. If there is this much debate and negative hoopla, then it shows me it more than likely is a product that makes some kind of minute, hardly measurable increase in efficiency, that way its not like they're lying, yet they certainly aint losing anything. If I was given a free sample, I'd try it.

That's very interesting. I wonder is this the same Phil Ratte that is mentioned here:

Plugging Hydrotechnix
http://www.eco-truck.moonfruit.com/#/the-main-question/4542420705


Or here, pitching the Firestorm Sparkplug.
http://www.worldwidescam.info/rattewater.htm



Or the dynamic Ionizer from Japan
http://www.toa-corp.co.jp/eg/di_testreport.html

Are you yourself claiming to be Phil Ratte? If not, I don't know how ethical it is to post under his name. Secondly, are you saying that Phil will be posting on this forum? If so, what name will he be using? Third, what is your relationship to Phill Ratte and why are you representing him here on these forums?

While I am certain for the need for an alternative family of fuels, and hold no doubt that government and oil companies have monopolized the industry so that the masses are dependent, your post sounds like a bunch of copy/pastes that suggest the failed fuel-decombustinijuvenator companies of the past only failed due to some type of conspiratorial intervention. I assure you, with even a tiny bit of common sense you can see that alternative miracle fuels that are commonly talked about are based on a scrap of truth. The results are often stuck in labs because they can't be mass produced for various reasons, which is the only place it really matters. Cars that run on alcohol, methane, water, skittles may very well have a truthful basis, but the technology has shown to be heavily flawed, either in sustainability, or power. I also do not buy into the concept that inventors aren't capable of releasing new technology to the masses, especially now, in a time where the majority of our populace is all but willing to challenge big brother.

People are angry with the economy, our healthcare, and our government. If you're intelligent enough to invent something revolutionary, than you're intelligent enough to devise a means by which to release it to the public via an almost unlimited array of means. There are more than enough independent and mainstream media outlets that would be happy to report on the story, even allotting the extra time to show how it works, and they would jump at the opportunity to be involved in its unveiling. Any 10 stations could change the world forever if these ideas were half as potential as the rumor countless mills claim. My opinion is that most of these people that create these technologies are super intelligent, work very hard to develop alternative fuels, but all fall short of meeting the needs of our current society, thereby creating great new gadgets that simply won't replace what we currently rely on. When someone truly does invent the next perfect fuel and the next perfect engine, all they will need to do is create media exposure, get the financial support of the people, and start getting the stuff made. The government and it's oil barons no doubt have its bogeymen, but with as much ingenuity as it takes to create a new technology, you could certainly figure out how to disclose it.

Phil Ratte, retired Mechanical Engineer, previously licensed as a Professional Engineer by the State of Minnesota for 27 years has tested well over 100 different fuel saving magnets, additives, and devices. In 1992, he appeared as an expert witness in Missouri Criminal trial. A Fuel Saving magnet distributor was indicted for Felony Fraud. The defense team prevailed. The Attorney General's witnesses 2 PhD's and the head of an EPA Certified Lab did not. In a similar case, Attorney Generals from 29 states had sued another Fuel Saving Magnet Company. Following Phil's success in Missouri, all 29 Attorney Generals had their cases dismissed. Oh. Wow. Another fuel additive MLM? Technically EnviroTabs are not an additive. They are a metallurgical treatment that coats the metal surfaces in the combustion chamber with a metal catalyst after removing the hard carbon deposits. Have any of these ever survived? Super 21 was a gas additive sold by Eniva, an MLM that is still in business. The company that made Super 21 found that it was much more profitable to sell the product to large truck fleet owners and MLM sales were discontinued. Super 21 at one time was put into gasoline and diesel fuel at the refinery in Thailand. It is now known as H2oil. A few years ago, Phil tested an MLM product made by te 7th largest oil company in the world. It too is now sold only to large users world wide and MLM sales were discontinued. MLM is an excellent way to get a product introduced in to the market without a lot of upfront advertising and maketing cost. "Is EnviroTabs a scam?" I have done my "due diligence". It is not a scam. Have any of them ever NOT been scams? All of the fuel saving products I have tested have saved some fuel and did a reasonably good job of reducing emissions. Most of them did not save enough fuel to be commercially viable and amateur testers made exagerated claims that they believed were true. Where to begin. How about "Texas Attorney General Abbott Shuts Down Pyramid Scheme That Marketed Bogus Fuel Pill" ( BioPerformance ). They were ordered to return more than $7 million dollars. I tested BioPerformance and went to Texas to warn the company that they needed to have Professional Testing because Texas is an Oil Producing state that receives great tax revenue from the Oil companies. The Attorney General of Texas receives much of his campaign funds from the Oil Industry. The top people with BioPerformance laughed at what I told them and the Attorney General had the last laugh. Has GreenFoot Global registered their product as a Fuel Additive with the EPA? Yes and they successfully completed Tier One FDA testing at a cost of $250,000. Because of that testing they are able to have a one million dollar liability binder for each case of engine damage from EnviroTabs. Is the documentation available? Yes, on the company's website You can buy fuel additives that will burn out the carbon in your engine at Pep Boys. If a clean engine makes for better mileage, does that make them all "Green" products? Certainly, but you don't have to go to Pep Boys. Race car drivers and shade tree mechanics have for years sprayed plain water into the air intake while accelerating the engine and blowing black smoke out of the exhaust. Water injection was used in our fighter planes in WWII. They say they are "Patented" on their website, but the EnviroTabs video says "Patent Pending". Two totally different things. Like saying you're girlfriend pay let you sleep with her vs your girlfriend is pregnant. "Patent Pending" is thrown around all the time in MLM mostly without any substance. The patent was issued in 2011. Ethos FR was another fuel additive MLM. Now they sell erectile dysfunction pills under the name Regenerect (maybe they are the same tabs ) Phil tested Ethos FR and found it to be commercially viable. Like all the other products he tested that were commercially viable, the introduction of the OBD 2 computer in 1996 greatly reduced the fuel saving results in most passenger cars. If you check the EPA mileage figures for cars sold in America from 1993 to 1996 you will notice a substantial decline. For example, my 1994 GEO Metro was EPA rated for 44 mpg highway. In 1996, the same GEO Metro was EPA rated at 39 mpg highway. In 1998, I used Super 21 Gas Additive, Energy Release Oil Additive, and a $3.20 ceramic magnet and got 61 mpg in my 1994 GEO Metro. A 1996 GEO Metro setup the same way went from 39 mpg to 43 mpg. That is real progress. This apparent collusion between the EPA, the car companies, and the oil companies caused the bankruptcy of both GM and Chrysler. Here's why - in Europe, in 2007, they had they had 113 models of cars that got from 40 to 60 mpg. Many of those cars were made by GM, Ford, and Chrysler but not sold in the USA. We had only two cars in 2007 that got 40 mpg. They were the Honda and Toyota hybrids. A quote from another MLM watchdog site: First, you should know that virtually every "gas additive" MLM over the last 30+ years has arrived with fanfare, been discredited, and disappeared into oblivion. I think all of the above speaks for itself.  Whoever said that is "dead wrong". I can prove that in Court and have the Professional Standing to do so. Phil is currently testing EnviroTabs. He has a 14.75% increase in a large SUV that is used by a package delivery service so he have years of results on 5 routes. Phil expects final results to be in the 20 to 25% range. Results so far will give the driver a cost saving of over $1,500 per year. What you have here is Phil Ratte's Professional Opinion. He is a distributor for Greenfoot Global. His Code of Professional Ethics does not allow him to sell product or recruit distributors from this Forum. There are many other Greenfoot Global distributors on the internet. Sign up or buy from one of them. If you are qualified to professionally evaluate EnviroTabs, Phil will provide some free product for testing. In about two weeks, the notarized Affidavit of Phil's Professional Opinion, signed, and sworn under threat of perjury will be available. Phil will post it on this Forum at that time.

Beth,

I can't find your affiliate link? I was goin got read up on these - 'cuz I LOVE spreadsheets!

Also, I apologize. My comment above about free samples for ALL was supposed to come out a bit more sarcastic - I wasn't seriously recommending you give any of us who ask a free sample.

JP

God bless ya, the only thing I know about cars is that you can get in my opening the door. That's a good point Rick made about people occasionally pulling your chain out of respect, but try not to get mad, I think its the same thing as trying to be gentle with someone you really care about. That's also an awesome point about additives being included in premium gasoline, but at the same time I heard it was more about premium gas being cleaner, or gentler on the engine or something, who knows. I think that would be hilarious if all it was, was the same exact thing you get in auto store fuel additives lol..Hey, I hope you enjoy your new house, don't forget to update us on the car, it would be kind of fascinating if its an unknown engine problem. Good luck Beth.

ps, the charts are awesome.

You know with all the new science that happens out there I am willing to try anything at least once if I have the thought that it would save me money!.

The people that do get back to me are people that I have worked with alot. Yeah I guess they could just try to tell me something to make me happy, but that just makes me mad. Why lie when all that does is make you look like you were trying to get something for free?

I have a facebook friend that wouldn't try my product, but yet is now using the evirotabs & is a rep & promotes it, I guess it's a matter of timing on that one.

I have a mechanic that knocks my product, but uses the additive that comes in the gas & uses premium gas. Now isn't that the same type of thing? It's an additive to improve your engine & yet you knock one that may or may not be the same or better. Makes no sense to me LOL

No word yet, we have taken a break on working on it. When we move to my new house next month we will be putting the car in the garage & it will have ac in it & will be easier to work on it. We do the work ourselves & I say we because I work on it too. I am no where near a mechanic, but I know a little & don't mind learning more!

I hear you Beth, and assuming we are all more or less the same as far as being blue collar workers, none of us could afford to toss out a mass amount of free samples. I think sometimes people might actually get one, and not notice much of a difference, but to be polite, and show some gratitude to you, they might tell you they really felt it was effective. I know I have done that a few times in my life in similar situations. Not saying that is definitely how it is, but its possible you know? I'm not a mechanic, I know what people say about fuel additives, my uncle, my cousin, by soon to be brother in law, they are all mechanics, and tell me its all a load, and that's coming from experience. Now on the other hand, we can't go solely on that alone, because then when something truly revolutionary comes out, we won't bother out of sheer ignorance. That being said, I'm not trying to knock Envirotabs, and I myself am not qualified even to give an opinion of these types of products since I've never tried them, but I do think that the word of people who truly know and understand engines is pretty important. If I could, I would definitely give whatever product you are using a try, no doubt. Hey any word on your vehicle by the way?

Let me ask you this... How many times have you been to a auto parts store & seen them giving away free sample? That said If I was to give everyone that asked me to give them free samples I would be broke & with that said all the times that I have given away samples people have reported back that they just love the product, they noticed a change in their horsepower & in their mpgs, but the funny thing they haven't actually placed an order.

I know with my company we have a 30 money back, but we also have given people their money back even after the 30 days.

I just will no longer give away free samples. I just can't. I'm sorry if that turns a person away, but I have still built a customer base with them buying the first time to try it out.

Well said, Jon, I think free samples are truly one of the greatest confidence builders for customers, in addition to being the spearhead in any company's driving force. Free samples get right down to the nitty gritty, you can't lie about the taste of a cracker with a free sample, you can't willfully dish out placebos in the energy pill, or boner booster market, and you certainly can't hide whether or not something like Enviro Tabs is legit or not if you give out free samples. If we have learned anything from heroin dealers at all, its good marketing lol. Yeah I know, its kind of a sick thing to say, but its the truth isn't it?

Looks like Cprime's mouthpiece got off easy, can't say the same for Arnold and JT of the Cieaura Clan!!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59991244/FTC-v-Burnlounge-Final-Decision

Um, did you consider Wikipedia as your only option for attempting to explain a patent Doug? Its you that seems to have a difficult time comprehending the laws. Did you not read the source Watchdog provided and the more relevant parts of it that explain the process in further detail? It looks to me like you glanced over it, googled a wiki explanation of a basic patent, and responded lol.

"Applicants are entitled to claim the benefit of a provisional application in a corresponding non-provisional application filed not later than 12 months after the provisional application filing date.

"A provisional application for patent is a U. S. national application for patent filed in the USPTO under 35 U.S.C. § 111(b) . It allows filing without a formal patent claim, oath or declaration, or any information disclosure (prior art) statement. It provides the means to establish an early effective filing date in a later-filed non-provisional patent application filed under 35 U.S.C. § 111(a) . It also allows the term "Patent Pending" to be applied in connection with the description of the invention."

Needless to say, you should read sources in their entirety before attempting to debate legal processes.