have you heard of any returns in the whole organization though?

No one that I have worked with has. There was no need to.

I Agree...but has anybody ever returned the product to date for a refund?

We have more choices on our sizes. I know yours will come. I think IMO we both have great products.

1 1/2 tablet  or 1 1/4 tablet would both work

We have a 2oz bottle that treats 8 tanks for 32.00 & 25.00 autoship Treating 160 gals.

We have the larger sizes that treat more for less.

How does it work to treat a 26 gal tank?

and bigger sizes are going to made as soon as they fully launch their commercial division.

20 gallons per tablet, so 200 gallons per pouch.  And you can buy a pouch for as little as $20.  Your  8 tube only treats 160 gallons for $39.95 standard and/or $29.95 autoship...now thats almost double the charge for less product.

How much does a 10pk treat? What are the different sizes that Envirotabs sell?

well xtreme fuel treatment is more expensive that the EnviroTabs pouch, which equals to more savings.

And for the guy who's talking about is EnviroTabs patent pending or not?  EnviroTabs is fully patented.  The reason you still see the other things saying "patent-pending" is because those files, documents, or what have you, were created before the official patenting of the product.  The just haven't removed the older pages that say it's "patent-pending."  When the company was GreenWealthOnline, it was "patent-pending;" and when they changed their marketing name to Greenfoot Global, after announcing to go mlm, they fully patented the product of EnviroTabs.  Which I may add, is the only 'Patented' product of its kind; all the other competitors, even though there is no competition, are just detergents and conditioners.

And stop with the scam word, because most of you are speaking of it but don't even know the meaning of the word.  Way to take stuff out of context.

List of things Greenfoot Global EnviroTabs has that others don't:

Patent

Nobel Piece Prize technology

Initially used by the U.S. Government / Department of Defense

$1,000,000 Liability Insurance (Won't ever need it, But they Have it)

Southwest Labs Testing proving that it doesn't alter the fuel in any way, therefore, taking it out of the fuel additive category

Is composed of 100% of active ingredients

And Greenfoot's main goal, aside from all the other companies which is mainly to increase their fuel mileage, is to reduce the emissions of 10% of the world's vehicles.  Are main mission is to better the earth; is that in any of the other companies mission statements?  I think not.

lol, kind of hoping Ashley Brown gets the Banhammer :D. I'll have to try to contact the administrator to delete the account. I'm fairly certain flaming and spamming is against the rules. Most of us get along pretty well even we don't always agree. I think its amazingly rude to simply insert your own agenda in the middle of a thread. I agree with Rick, its extremely rude and needs to stop. People are free to start their own thread where they can plug any mlm they want, so I don't see why the need to be rude, inconsiderate, and deliberately ignorant, AshleyBrown. I guess we will just have to ignore you until you are gone. :)

maybe not a bot, but def a spammer!!

I think people should ignore you Ricdown77. lol….

I know I contacted John about this - he's been open, honest, and immediately sent links to me to do my research.

(I'm certainly not an admin, I hope someone else contacted him and he's not thinking it's me!)

I admit to being extremely skeptical of things like this - however sometimes a new mlm that is early is a great place to be.  However, 2 things can take away skepticism:

1. Testimonials. Skepticism can melt when faced with real-life results.

2. Personal use: While testimonials can be faked or bought, a $25 purchase to try for yourself (myself) can either prove the claims or not. 

I'm just now digging into the links, and will most likely try the product.  If the information is too vague, or filled with garblety-gook 'science' talk, I'll never get over my skepticism or concern there's something there to damage an engine and they're hiding it behind words.

However, I am a firm believer in chemistry and the miracles that can be produced.  Waterless car washes, etc. are all amazing, yet unheard of before.  Patented, approved by the EPA - this might be the real deal.

And since I'm a rep. for FillerUP club and we offer 50% discount rebates on gas, this is a natural fit for me....

We'll see, but I appreciate John helping and sharing on the board!

JP

Welcome back John, and I am sincerely grateful that you replied. I would like to apologize if my post came off as rude, that was certainly not my intention. I meant it when I said I wasn't so much trying to imply that you weren't being forthcoming, as much as point out that there is a common presentation I've seen repeat itself, and your post was remarkably similar. I can't speak for everyone, but I assure you these boards welcome long, thorough, direct, and robust posts. We thrive on good healthy discussions and yes, sometimes friendly debates. I have never attempted to contact the site administrator so I'm not sure whom you're referring to but I can certainly understand your preference for keeping your contact information private. With respect to however, I must say that the world of network marketing is grossly saturated with hype, and considering so many people have not truly been forthcoming in its history, extraordinary claims should be backed by extraordinary proof.

Its far too easy to use the power of communication and verbiage to give just enough sway to the common man to get him to make a purchase. I've been involved with many different businesses most of my life and I have been around the block a few times. I can tell by your post that you're clearly intelligent and driven, and while I couldn't disagree with you more about your anti-skepticism, I can appreciate your apparent sincerity. I also wanted to say thank you for providing those links, I haven't gone through them all yet but I fully intend to. One thing I have enjoyed most about Repspace is that when we discuss a product long enough, a rep usually always surfaces eventually and It is a major help when they are truly qualified to represent their product. You seem to be a truly stand up individual and I hope to get more of your input as this particular thread goes further. I have quite a few tech questions in regard to fuel additives and would like to get your input.

Kind regards.

Hi Travis, This is John, to whom you appear to be directing your message on this board.  I didn't provide the links because no asked me to post them and I didn't think it fair to take up so much space. For the record, every word of my post is true. And I did provide a more detailed profile of myself to the person who appears to moderate this site; he emailed me with some questions. I really don't want that personal information posted as I do not want people calling our medical practices unless it is to make an appointment for treatment (that is how we pay the bills).  And for the record, I made my post to set the record straight about Envirotabls; I am not looking for distributors who have a pulse; I am looking for marathoners (people who expect success as naturally as they expect to breathe, are coach-able and think big.  I only work with the best. And I only hire the best. I have learned this leasson over and over, in lawsuits, business dealings and in life-relationships. I am at a stage in life where I will pick who I work with, not the other way around. I have a solid background in conventional business but I am relying on the top distributor in Envirotabs to guide me in this new territory known as MLM.  I assure you I will master it; and wil do so without falling into what appears to be current of excessive skepticism. Skepticism is an emotion which should never occur in business. Due diligence and act-finding plus hiring the best of the best are a better approach. At least in my experiences. I say these things to help.  Any way here are some of the basic links to analyze Envirotabs (there are more too);

Excellent PRODUCT presentation:

Brochure in English:

(Short): http://www.greenfootglobal.com/clientinc/upload/TheBenefitsofEnviroTabs.pdf

(More detail):  http://www.greenfootglobal.com/clientinc/upload/TDKTri-FoldBrochure.pdf

Brochure in Spanish (1 page  

http://www.greenfootglobal.com/clientinc/upload/gfg-product-flyer-spanish.pdf

EnviroTabs FAQs (English): http://www.greenfootglobal.com/clientinc/upload/EnviroTabsFAQs.pdf

Video: http://www.gfgnetwork.com/how-does-it-work/

Excellent TESTIMONIALS:

http://www.greenfootglobal.com/common/clientCustom.asp?UID=50602&SectionID=1&guid=EC6BFB63-3E8A-499F-943C-1E7E9FE4353A&SubSectionID=0&treeUID=51122

Nobel Peace Prize:

(brief version)   http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1973/  

(detailed version)   http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1973/press.html  

EPA registration letter ($250,000 tier 1 test to satisfy EPA required testing, in order to get this letter):  http://www.greenfootglobal.com/clientinc/upload/EPARegletter.pdf

$1,000,000 Worldwide Insurance Policy (per occurrence!): http://www.greenfootglobal.com/clientinc/upload/gfginsurancecert2-14-11.jpg

Testing Results:

http://www.greenfootglobal.com/common/clientCustom.asp?UID=50602&SectionID=1&guid=67F82793-15CD-4D67-91E9-2C001B7F7063&SubSectionID=0&treeUID=50562%22

Available countries for shipping: http://www.greenfootglobal.com/clientinc/upload/ShipToContries.pdf

Don't hold your breath on a response. I mean no disrespect to John, but the post reminds me of someone that you used to write exactly the same way, and made some pretty extraordinary claims about fuels, additives and alternative technologies. He also suggested being highly educated, offered to provide links that never came, and additionally suggested that he left a much more lucrative lifestyle in favor of pursuing his interest in said fuel additive mlm. In my opinion many of these companies are based on real scientific studies that did in fact create new fuels, engines and auto components, however they could never be used on the field for a variety of reasons such as expense, un-practicality, technical flaws, and non adaptability to any public transportation system. What happens is that these successful but un-applicable results are often provided in a pitch, without actually being linked to the product you'll be getting when joining. It's like showing exactly how good a combustion engine is on gas in the middle of trying to sell a battery powered vehicle.

That isn't to suggest that Jon himself is lying, or doing the same thing, but I can't help but point out the similarity of his pitch to these other guys. I think a way to save money on gas is so vitally important right now that there are many vultures jumping on the bandwagon promising to help us in these tough economic times, and in our pursuit of saving money, we jump on it without thinking. How many of us are engineers and have an adequately qualified opinion? How many more are writing these kinds of posts pretending to be engineers in order to give the rest of us a feeling of security. The fact is that between product costs, membership cost, and the unpredictable and unstable results that seem to differ from vehicle to vehicle; a more efficient solution might be to drive less, and spend less money on gas.

Someone said it in another thread, and I apologize as I can't recall the poster or the thread; but they basically said that the engine hasn't changed very much in over a century. It's become more efficient, it can process more fuel, push out more horsepower and last a little longer, but its design in the many varieties it comes in is basically the same, and it won't change until we have a completely different fuel all together. Until then, you can mod it, tweak it, and yes it may even be possible to create a fuel additive that gets you a bit more out of it, but the cost for the product may just even out the savings, hence eliminating any real gain.

Please ignore the spam bot Ashley Brown lol. Seems like we're getting more and more of these every day. :(

Well, I don’t have much information about that, but I found some thing interesting in this thread. I am providing health products. Herbalife weight management, nutritional and energy and fitness products will help you get the most out of your workouts, your diets and your life

If I have ever seen a truly convincing and well thought out post, I'd say this one is it John. Though I respectfully ask; would you mind telling us what medical establishments? I'm basically kindly asking who you are for the sake of verification. You've made some really remarkable claims, and I'm inclined to believe you, but for a product this revolutionary, I'd love to get this thread out of the area of debating the product, and into the area of debating the opportunity. We have been hung up far too long on whether or not these products are legit and its not only a bit boring, but its also non constructive. I'm not asking you for contact info or address etc, just a basic idea of who you are. Most people who own medical establishments can be seen in some form or another on the Internet.

Thank you in advance.

Regarding Envirotabs produced by Greenfoot Global, LLC:

It is not a scam: I have substantial experience in conventional business, owning two very large medical practices and much rental property here and abroad; I have an engineering degree; and I am putting that all aside to work at this fuel saving treatment full-time from home.

First, my father tested it and realized an immediate savings of four times the cost of the treatment.

Since I don't do a lot of driving, I had my friend test it and he got 21% increase in his mileage. All of 3 of us got a noticeable increase in horsepower.

Having been on this planet for 50 years and involved in several conventional business ventures over the years, I have seen several so-called fuel savers come and go.  This is different.

First, it does not change the fuel in any way. It is not a mere detergent.

It puts an 800 angstrom coating on the walls of the combustion chamber that chemically reacts with the carbon in what would normally be the unburned portion of the fuel; and causes it to burn so completely that you are effectively recapturing the unburned fuel.

As a result, you get increased mileage and increased horsepower (I can really feel it).

The inventors won the Noble Peace Prize for this (contact me for the links); The U.S; Dept of Defense used it to boost their rockets to outpace antimissile fire;  It has a full U.S. Patent (not mere patent pending).

 A U.S, Patent means no one can market this but Greenfoot here in the U.S. and countries that are under treaty with the U.S. (which are many).

 It is EPA registered, which means the company had to undergo a $250,000 tier 1 test and the results were sent to the EPA whereupon the product was deemed safe and per federal law cannot void a warranty; the same way transmission fluids, brake fluids etc get approved.

(See Moses and Magnusson Act of 1978)

It cannot harm your engine.

It works on gas, diesel, ethanol, E85 fuels and ANY COMBUSTION ENGINE because it does not alter the fuel; its is chemically working with the walls of the combustion chamber to react with the carbon in the fuel.

I have enough assets to retire. But I want to be very wealthy to help my church build a dream center for the oppressed and downtrodden. I chose this company after researching many others. This is a winner.

I am working with the the top distributor in the company; and between his experience in direct selling and my 30 years of conventional business experience I will take this to the moon. The company announced we can now take this into 146 Countries. Do you realize in how many countries the fuel is over $10 per gallon in US dollars!

I am happy to provide the signed EPA registration to you; a copy of the Certificate of Insurance which is $1,000,000 per occurrence; a copy of the Noble Peace Prize article about the inventors; and my plan for growing this from home.  –john  

You know there is one sure fire way to know if it works right?? That would be to try it!!

I have several customers & they are repeat sales so my average is I have more saying that it does work than those that do not. I know for me it def does work in my car & I have been using it in my husbands truck & although I can't keep up with the mileage the way I did in my car (gas gauge doesn't work) I am taking the mileage down & seeing how far I drive per tank as to what I did before. I can say that his truck sucks on mileage right now! For 50.00 I only can go about 142 miles & that sucks!!! I will be happy to see that get up to even 175 or 200.

Alot of the testing or use of the product does depend on how you drive, where you drive, the weather & even the type of car that you drive & the condition that  it's in. It also can take several treatments for the car to get cleaned out enough to see results. I have seen some take 3000 miles before. I have a guy in the UK that saw results of 100 extra miles & then it dropped back down again, but he kept using it & it went back up.

I think if I understand the product right & cars, that it takes time to clean out the trash that is put into gas & as it cleans out it makes the car run better & get you more miles & it continues to work, but every time you put gas back in you put more trash back in so the treatment works to clean that out to & sometimes there may be more to clean than other times. I once got water in my gas at walmart & it messed up my car no matter how much treatment I put in it (not XFT) It also has other factors that help the treatment to work in other parts of the engine.

So how does one talk one on one here? Is there a way to message someone?

lol, I'm glad you liked it. The art of such humor is to simply have a semi-juvenile mind that lacks the ability to take anything too seriously, and to recognize how silly a species we are lol. That's my take on it anyway. Thanks for letting us know which company you were affiliated with Beth, not sure if I recall you mentioning it before, but I had been wondering. I've heard good and bad things, but also still find posts here and there on the Internet of people that swear up and down that the stuff works. So I've come to this conclusion. I can't possibly say, even after reading the science behind it; that it works. I'm just not a mechanic, so even if I'm presented with legit EPA results, I wouldn't know how to really interpret them. So my guess is basically that these products do something, with certain unknown conditions and certain engines that somehow manage to do something. What that something is, I don't really know. Its bad enough that so many results are inconsistent and unpredictable, but the opinions of mechanics vary as well, ranging from "it doesn't work" to "it will blow your engine". One guy even said it was a form of vinegar, though I'm not sure in what way vinegar effects an engine. I would like to do a review on Xtreme Fuel Treatment perhaps, even if to get them opened up a bit here.

Thanks Beth.

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I think its important to keep in mind that we (as people) tend to color someone "good" or "bad" and that's a very simplified label that is impossible to place on anyone, and kind of juvenile to boot. I'm not sure if its a Christian thing, or a religious thing in general, but people are super complex creatures, with highly complex minds. You can be the greatest marching band coordinator in your state, and still be a child molester, or a wife beater, you can be the kindest, most charitable, outgoing and friendly person your neighborhood has ever known and still be a serial killer, or yes, the infamous CEO of a bad company. That's the nature of a good communicator, they are so good at what they do that you are all dumbfounded and can't understand "what made them do it", but what you don't understand is that they were always that way. You can't blame his team, or the people he was working with, blame him. All that really ever changes that leaves us in shock is our own perception of a person.